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1 هل العدد العبري في 1 صم 1 الذي يقول اصعدته معها بثالثة ثي ارن محرف 1 24 صم 1: Holy_bible_1 7/9/2018 الشبهة صموئيل األول االصحاح 1 قم ارن والسريانية واليونانية "ومعها عجل" وفي النص العبري تقليدي ومعها "ثالث ثي ارن" ايهم كالم هللا

2 الرد الحقيقة ال يوجد تحريف وال غيره. والنص العبري صحيح وال يوجد فيه خطأ اما عن االستشهاد بمخطوطات قم ارن في هذا العدد غير صحيح بالمرة الن أصال الجملة في مخطوطة قم ارن متأكلة فهي ال نعرف ان كان واحد ام ثالثة أصال. واالمر باختصار هو فقط توضيح من السبعينية ان عجل واحد الذي قدم من ثالثة فقالت عجل ثالثي ولكن النص الصحيح هو العبري الذي يقول ثالث عجول وللتأكيد ندرس الترجمات اإلنجليزية باختصار واألدلة الخارجية والداخلية أوال التي كتبت ثالث ثي ارن ثم حين فطمته أصعدته معها بثالثة ثي ارن وإيفة دقيق وزق خمر, وأتت به إلى الرب في شيلوه (SVD) والصبي صغير. (ACV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of meal, and a bottle of wine, and brought him to the house of LORD in Shiloh, and the child was young.

3 (AKJ) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him to the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young. (ASV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of meal, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of Jehovah in Shiloh: and the child was young. (VW) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bulls, one ephah of flour, and a skin of wine, and brought him to the house of Jehovah at Shiloh: the child, the boy. (Bishops) And when she had weaned hym, she toke hym with her, with three bullockes, and an Epha of floure, and a bottle of wine, and brought hym vnto the house of the Lorde in Silo, and the child was young.

4 (CJB) After weaning him, she took him up with her, along with three young bulls, a bushel of flour and a skin of wine, and brought him to the house of ADONAI in Shiloh, even though he was just a child. (CLV) and she causes him to go up with her when she has weaned him, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and she brings him into the house of Yahweh at Shiloh, and the youth [is but] a youth. (Darby) And she took him up with her when she had weaned him, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a flask of wine, and brought him to the house of Jehovah to Shiloh; and the boy was young. (DRB) And after she had weaned him, she carried him with her, with three calves, and three bushels of flour, and a bottle of wine, and she brought him to the house of the Lord in Silo. Now the child was as yet very young:

5 (Geneva) And when she had weined him, she tooke him with her with three bullockes and an Ephah of floure and a bottell of wine, and brought him vnto the house of the Lorde in Shiloh, and the childe was yong. (GLB) und brachte ihn mit sich hinauf, nachdem sie ihn entwöhnt hatte, mit drei Farren, mit einem Epha Mehl und einem Krug Wein; und brachte ihn in das Haus des HERRN zu Silo. Der Knabe war aber noch jung. (HNV) When she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bulls, and one efah of meal, and a bottle of wine, and brought him to the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young. (IAV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of ADONAI in Shiloh: and the child was young.

6 (ISRAV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of ADONAI in Shiloh: and the child was young. (JST) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the Lord in Shiloh; and the child was young. (JOSMTH) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the Lord in Shiloh; and the child was young. (JPS) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of meal, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh; and the child was young.

7 (KJ2000) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a skin of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young. (KJV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young. (KJV-1611) And when shee had weaned him, shee tooke him vp with her, with three bullocks, and one Ephah of floure, and a bottle of wine, and brought him vnto the house of the Lord in Shiloh: and the childe was young. (KJV21) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks and one ephah of flour and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh; and the child was young.

8 (KJVA) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young. (LITV) And when she had weaned him, she brought him up with her, along with three bulls, and one ephah of flour, and a skin of wine. And she brought him to the house of Jehovah at Shiloh. And the child was a young one. (MKJV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bulls and one ephah of flour, and a skin of wine, and brought him to the house of Jehovah in Shiloh. And the child was young. (MSG) Then she took him up to Shiloh, bringing also the makings of a generous sacrificial meal--a prize bull, flour, and wine. The child was so young to be sent off!

9 (NET.) Once she had weaned him, she took him up with her, along with three bulls, an ephah of flour, and a container of wine. She brought him to the LORD's house at Shiloh, even though he was young. (NKJV) Now when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bulls, [g] one ephah of flour, and a skin of wine, and brought him to the house of the LORD in Shiloh. And the child was young. (RNKJV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of YHVH in Shiloh: and the child was young. (RV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of meal, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young.

10 (TMB) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks and one ephah of flour and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh; and the child was young. (TRC) And then she took him with her, when she had weaned him, with three bullocks and an Epha of flour and a bottle of wine, and brought him into the house of the LORD in Siloh, how be it the child was yet young. (Webster) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him to the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young. (Wycliffe) And sche brouyte hym with hir, aftir that sche hadde wened hym, with thre caluys, and thre buyschelis of mele, and amfore, `ether a pot, of wyn; and sche brouyte hym to the hows of the Lord in Silo. Forsothe the child was yit ful yonge.

11 (YLT) and she causeth him to go up with her when she hath weaned him, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and she bringeth him into the house of Jehovah at Shiloh, and the youth is but a youth. التي كتبت عجل ثالثي (AMP) When she had [1] weaned him, she took him with her, with a three-yearold bull, an ephah of flour, and a skin bottle of wine [to pour over the burnt offering for a sweet odor], and brought Samuel to the Lord's house in Shiloh. The child was growing. (BBE) Then when she had done so, she took him with her, with a three-year old ox and an ephah of meal and a skin full of wine, and took him to the house of the Lord at Shiloh: now the child was still very young. (CEV) When it was the time of year to go to Shiloh again, Hannah and Elkanah took Samuel to the LORD's house. They brought along a three-year-old bull, a

12 twenty-pound sack of flour, and a clay jar full of wine. Hannah and Elkanah offered the bull as a sacrifice, then brought the little boy to Eli. (ESV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, along with a three-year-old bull, [3] an ephah [4] of flour, and a skin of wine, and she brought him to the house of the LORD at Shiloh. And the child was young. (ERV) When the boy was old enough to eat solid food, Hannah took him to the LORD'S house at Shiloh. She also took a bull that was three years old, 20 pounds of flour, and a bottle of wine. (GW) As soon as she had weaned Samuel, she took him with her. She also brought a three-year-old bull, half a bushel of flour, and a full wineskin. She brought him to the LORD'S house at Shiloh while the boy was still a child. (NIRV) When the boy didn't need her to nurse him anymore, she took him with her to Shiloh. She took him there even though he was still very young. She brought him to the Lord's house. She brought along a bull that was three years

13 old. She brought more than half a bushel of flour. She also brought a bottle of wine. The bottle was made out of animal skin. (NIV) After he was weaned, she took the boy with her, young as he was, along with a three-year-old bull, an ephah of flour and a skin of wine, and brought him to the house of the LORD at Shiloh. (NRSV) When she had weaned him, she took him up with her, along with a three-year-old bull, an ephah of flour, and a skin of wine. She brought him to the house of the LORD at Shiloh; and the child was young. فالتقليدية وكثير من النقدية كتبت ثالث عجول ولكن بعض النقدية كتبت عجل ثالثي النصوص العبري H1580 she had גמלתו H834 And when כא שר H5973 with עמה H5927 him, she took him up (IHOT+) ותעלהו H7058 קמח H259 and one אחת H374 ephah ואיפה H7969 her, with three של שה H6499 bullocks, בפרים weaned H1004 him unto the house בית H935 and brought ותבאהו H3196 of wine, יין H5035 and a bottle ונבל of flour, H5288 young. נער H5288 and the child והנער H7887 in Shiloh: שלו H3068 of the LORD יהוה

14 ( HOT )ותעלהו עמה כא שר גמלתו בפרים של שה ואיפה אחת קמח ונבל יין ותבאהו שלו בית יהוה נער והנער ( BHS )ו ת ע ל ה ו ו ת ב א ה ו י י ן ו נ ב ל ק מ ח א ח ת ו א יפ ה ש ל ש ה ב פ ר ים ג מ ל ת ו כ א ש ר ע מ ה ש לו ב ית י הו ה נ ע ר ו ה נ ע ר (WLC) ו ת ע ל ה ו ו ת ב א ה ו י י ן ו נ ב ל ק מ ח א ח ת ו א יפ ה ש ל ש ה ב פ ר ים ג מ ל ת ו כ א ש ר ע מ ה ב ית י הו ה נ ע ר ו ה נ ע ר ש ל ו ( Aleppo )ותעלהו יהוה בית ותבאהו יין ונבל קמח אחת ואיפה שלשה בפרים גמלתו כאשר עמה נער והנער שלו WTT) ( ו ת ב א ה ו י י ן ו נ ב ל ק מ ח א ח ת ו א יפ ה ש ל ש ה ב פ ר ים ג מ ל ת ו כ א ש ר ע מ ה ו ת ע ל ה ו ש ל ו ב ית י הו ה נ ע ר ו ה נ ע ר فالنصوص العبري ال خالف بينها وكلها متفقة على ثالث عجول المخطوطات أوال لننج ارد بالطبع هي متطابقة مع الماسوريتك

15 وتقول بوضوح בפרים שלשה ثالث عجول مخطوطة اليبو )حلب(

اما عن مخطوطات قم ارن فكما قلت العدد أصال شبه متاكل والمكان الذي فيه جملة ثالث عجول او عجل ثالثي متاكل قم ارن 4Q51 ותעל א ותו שילה כאשר 24 } { ]--------------------------[בקר ולחם משלש 7

17 اما عن مخطوطات قم ارن فكما قلت العدد أصال شبه متاكل والمكان الذي فيه جملة ثالث عجول او عجل ثالثي متاكل قم ارن 4Q51 ותעל א ותו שילה כאשר 24 } { ] [בקר ולחם משלש 7 الجزء الذي في اول سطر 7 أي مفرد او جمع الذي فيه الجزء المقصود من العدد هو متاكل فال نعرف الكلمة ببار او بباريم ولهذا المخطوطات في صالح النص التقليدي ثالث عجول الن قم ارن ال تفصل في هذا العدد

18 اتي الى الت ارجم القديمة السريانية من القرن ال اربع اتبعت السبعينية وكتبت عجل ثالثي (Lamsa) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with a threeyear old bullock and an ephah of flour and a skin of wine, and brought him to the house of the LORD in Shiloh; and the boy was very young. ولكن الفلجاتا من نفس الوقت كتبت ثالث عجول (Vulgate) et adduxit eum secum postquam ablactaverat in vitulis tribus et tribus modiis farinae et amphora vini et adduxit eum ad domum Domini in Silo puer autem erat adhuc infantulus And after she had weaned him, she carried him with her, with three calves, and three bushels of flour, and a bottle of wine, and she brought him to the house of the Lord in Silo. Now the child was as yet very young: فأيضا االستشهاد بالسريانية وترك الفلجاتا هو غير امانة اما عن مصدر تعبير عجل ثالثي بدل النص التقليدي ثالث عجول هو السبعينية الترجمة التفسيرية

19 (LXX) καὶ ἀνέβη μετ αὐτοῦ εἰς Σηλωμ ἐν μόσχῳ τριετίζοντι καὶ ἄρτοις καὶ οιφι σεμιδάλεως καὶ νεβελ οἴνου καὶ εἰσῆλθεν εἰς οἶκον κυρίου ἐν Σηλωμ, καὶ τὸ παιδάριον μετ αὐτῶν. (ABP-G+) και G2532 ανεβη G305 μετ G3326 αυτου G1473 εις G1519 Συλω G* εν G1722 μοσχω G3448 τριετιζοντι G και G2532 οιφι G σεμιδαλεως G4585 και G2532 νεβελ G οινου G3631 και G2532 εισηλθεν G1525 εις G1519 οικον G3624 κυριου G2962 εν G1722 Συλω G* και G2532 το G3588 παιδαριον G3808 μετ G3326 αυτων G1473 (ABP+) And G2532 she ascended G305 with G3326 him G1473 unto G1519 Shiloh G* with G1722 a calf G3448 being three years old, G and G2532 an ephah G of fine flour, G4585 and G2532 a skin flask G of wine. G3631 And G2532 she entered G1525 into G1519 the house G3624 of the LORD G2962 in G1722 Shiloh, G* and G2532 the G3588 boy G3808 with G3326 them. G1473 (Brenton) And she went up with him to Selom with a calf of three years old, and loaves, and an ephah of fine flour, and a bottle of wine: and she entered into the house of the Lord in Selom, and the child with them.

20 وكما شرحت سابقا السبعينية هي ترجمة تفسيرية تكتب لألمم اإلشكالية في السبعينية النها الكلمتين بباريم شلوشه أي عجول ثالثة ولكن مترجم السبعينية الذي قرر ان يكتب عجل ثالثي أي عجل عمره ثالث سنوات (Brenton) And she went up with him to Selom with a calf of three years old, and loaves, and an ephah of fine flour, and a bottle of wine: and she entered into the house of the Lord in Selom, and the child with them. األدلة الداخلية ما هو السبب في ان السبعينية كتبت عجل ثالثي وهل هناك سبب يجعل نساخ النص العبري يغيروا من عجل الى ثالث ام هناك سبب يجعل مترجم السبعينية يغير من ثالث عجول لعجل ال يوجد سبب لنساخ العبري وبخاصة كما أرينا في المخطوطات اما السبعينية فهناك سبب واضح وهو العدد التالي الذي يتكلم عن ثور واحد الثور فذبحوا :25 وجاءوا بالصبي الى عالي 1 فالسبعينية فقط تفسر عدد 25 الذي قال ذبحوا الثور فلهذا حولته عجل ثالثي بدل ثالث عجول وحسب قاعدة النقد النصي

21 The reading which could most easily have given rise to the other readings is best. القراءه التي هي بوضوح السبب في بقية القراءات هي االفضل فق ارءة ثالث عجول هي السبب التي جعلت مترجم السبعينية يترجمها لعجل ليتفق مع عدد 25 وأيضا حسب قاعدة The hardest reading is best القراءه االصعب هي االفضل Difficilior lectio potior or Proclivi scriptioni praestat ardua وق ارءة ثالث عجول هي األصعب كما وضحت ان هذا لمن يق أر ظاهريا بدون تركيز يرى إشكالية مع عدد 25 كما قدمت بل أيضا من التعبي ارت اللغوية كلمة بل أيضا الكلمة العبرية تعني عجل صغير calf H6499 פ ר פ ר par pa r par, pawr From H6565; a bullock (apparently as breaking forth in wild strength, or perhaps as dividing the hoof): - (+ young) bull (-ock), calf, ox. صغير العجل عجل صغير عجل Total KJV occurrences: 133 قاموس كلمات الكتاب

22 H6499 פר פר par, pa r: A masculine noun indicating a young bull, a bull. This refers often to young bulls فالكلمة معناها أقرب صغير فال يصلح ان يوصف عجل الثالث سنوات البالغ ببار إذا بناء على األدلة الخارجية والداخلية النص الصحيح هو التقليدي الذي يقول ثالث عجول تأكدنا وبهذا من صحة النص التقليدي 25 اتى الى لماذا يقول العدد 24 ثالث عجول وعدد ذبحوا عجل :24 ثم حين فطمته اصعدته معها بثالثة ثي ارن وايفة دقيق وزق خمر واتت به الى الرب في شيلوه 1 والصبي صغير :25 فذبحوا الثور وجاءوا بالصبي الى عالي 1 وهذا كما شرحه مفسرين كثيرين مثل جيل وغيرهم وهنري ان االمر هو ثالث ثي ارن النواع مختلفة من الذبائح في شيء مهم كهذا وهو ثالث ذبائح مختلفة محرقة أو ذبيحة خطية واثنين سالمة ووقت تقديمه المحرقة قدم ذبيحة الخطية الالزمة لتكريس صموئيل المنذور والثورين االخرين ذبيحة السالمة يشتركوا فيها ويأكلوا بفرح كما شرح سفر العدد 6

23 وبخاصة انها استمرت ثالث سنوات ال تصعد وتحضر الذبيحة السنوية التي يقدمها زوجها القانة سنة الحبل وسنتين ترضعه حتى فطامه فهي تصعد بثالث عجول لثالث سنين وأيضا ما يؤكد ذلك انها تقول احضرت ايفة دقيق رغم ان المطلوب للمحرقة هو ثالث اعشار االيفة فقط للثور الواحد أي هي احضرت ما يكفي الثالث وأيضا الخمر هي احضرتك زق كامل رغم ان للمحرقة هو نصف الهين فقط وليس زق كامل سفر العدد 15 :8 و اذا عملت ابن بقر محرقة او ذبيحة وفاء لنذر او ذبيحة سالمة للرب 15 :9 تقرب على ابن البقر تقدمة من دقيق ثالثة اعشار ملتوتة بنصف الهين من الزيت 15 :10 و خم ار تقرب للسكيب نصف الهين وقود ارئحة سرور للرب 15 فكل هذا يوضح انها أتت بثالث ثي ارن واحد محرقة تم ذبحة واثنين ذبائح سالمة ليشتركوا فيها ويفرحوا بتقديم صموئيل للرب. فتأكدنا من اصالة العدد ومن اتفاق عددي 24 و 25 في الثالث ثي ارن والمجد هلل دائما

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